Posted by Mark Gould on November 4, 2012 at 12:47pm
Thank you Studio Artist for helping me make this image! This will be a frame in an slow "moving painting" animation I'm making (think Brian Eno) that I will post when I'm finished.
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I wish I could say I was. In my circumstances I'm moving a bit slow and have yet to get to temporal generators or keyframe animations in SA yet. I'm guessing keyframe animation like other programs would be easier for me to get up to speed with than temporal generation - I look forward to both. This particular one I'm building the rendering frame by frame and will probably render it out as a very slow moving animation in good old After Effects. Talk about the old fashioned way.
I have a 2008 MacPro (quad core processors) that as of Lion Apple now considers an old machine and no longer supports or can't! Anything processor intensive heats up the machine and the fans start roaring. Man, the speed of technology or, planned obsolescence, or both. Anyway I tried the keyframe animation technique using the advanced msg editor preview boxes as keyframes a couple of times and I eventually stopped it. Although SA was telling me the render was in progress I guess I was expecting it to render the frames to canvas and instead I was seeing a black canvas. So I'm just checking.
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Also, I'm just wondering out loud whether it seems possible that either of these techniques by nature of interpolating between processor chains is going to give me "personally aesthetic" poor choices that I wouldn't want in the animation. I suppose the answer is I won't know until I do this quite a few times which might not be until I get a new machine, this old thang not being fully rated for video processing any more. And just a few years ago....this thing flew. I'll post a sample of the kind of slow moving "ambient painting" technique I'm working on. But I almost would rather in this case render, paint, one frame at a time. -mark
You can click on individual keyframes in the PASeq timeline if you want to see what the animation looks like at tween frames.
If you are trying to keyframe MSG presets that have different processor chain configurations, then keyframe animation is not going to work well. Studio Artist doesn't' know what to do to keyframe this kind of transformation well.
Even if the processor configuration is the same, you need to be aware of what is going on with the editable parameters you are keyframing. If you are keyframing a parameter that dramatically changes the effect as it integer advances it's value, then the animation will not be smooth. You can use locks on specific parameter values or whole processors to avoid changing these variables in a keyframed animation.
Also, some effects like chaotic attractors are very sensitive to input parameter values. So they may drop out or flash when keyframing their input parameters.
A 2008 mac pro tower intel computer should be no obstacle to working with studio artist. They do act like large space heaters (good to heat your studio during the winter), but that's the nature of that particular beast.
Depending on what you are trying to do within a msg preset, individual processors may be thread splitting to speed up computation.
If you want to post the PASeq you were trying to animate, i can comment on it specifically.
Yes I was animating from a PASeq to a movie file as described in the tip archive page you posted. I'm clear on what you're saying about trying to keyframe MSG presets. Thanks.
If you are rendering out an animation or processing a movie using a PASeq you do see the results of playing the PASeq in the canvas. You can set the PASeq 'Loop Action Canvas Update' preference to display the result of every action step or only the final output of the PASeq in the canvas.
Again, if you want to post the PAseq you were using i can comment on how it works or if there are any issues associated with it.
I will - thanks. Regarding 2008 Intel mac, fwiw, it didn't always run this hot. Only in the last couple of years. I was told by an apple store employee that since software is coded for newer processors this is going to happen. This is the first time I've heard that, and I haven't seen or heard it anywhere else. You might know something about that.
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Are you using temporal generators or keyframe animation to build this?
I wish I could say I was. In my circumstances I'm moving a bit slow and have yet to get to temporal generators or keyframe animations in SA yet. I'm guessing keyframe animation like other programs would be easier for me to get up to speed with than temporal generation - I look forward to both. This particular one I'm building the rendering frame by frame and will probably render it out as a very slow moving animation in good old After Effects. Talk about the old fashioned way.
Here's a tip on procedural vs keyframe animation for MSG.
I have a 2008 MacPro (quad core processors) that as of Lion Apple now considers an old machine and no longer supports or can't! Anything processor intensive heats up the machine and the fans start roaring. Man, the speed of technology or, planned obsolescence, or both. Anyway I tried the keyframe animation technique using the advanced msg editor preview boxes as keyframes a couple of times and I eventually stopped it. Although SA was telling me the render was in progress I guess I was expecting it to render the frames to canvas and instead I was seeing a black canvas. So I'm just checking.
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Also, I'm just wondering out loud whether it seems possible that either of these techniques by nature of interpolating between processor chains is going to give me "personally aesthetic" poor choices that I wouldn't want in the animation. I suppose the answer is I won't know until I do this quite a few times which might not be until I get a new machine, this old thang not being fully rated for video processing any more. And just a few years ago....this thing flew. I'll post a sample of the kind of slow moving "ambient painting" technique I'm working on. But I almost would rather in this case render, paint, one frame at a time. -mark
Were you animating from a PASeq to a movie file?
You can click on individual keyframes in the PASeq timeline if you want to see what the animation looks like at tween frames.
If you are trying to keyframe MSG presets that have different processor chain configurations, then keyframe animation is not going to work well. Studio Artist doesn't' know what to do to keyframe this kind of transformation well.
Even if the processor configuration is the same, you need to be aware of what is going on with the editable parameters you are keyframing. If you are keyframing a parameter that dramatically changes the effect as it integer advances it's value, then the animation will not be smooth. You can use locks on specific parameter values or whole processors to avoid changing these variables in a keyframed animation.
Also, some effects like chaotic attractors are very sensitive to input parameter values. So they may drop out or flash when keyframing their input parameters.
A 2008 mac pro tower intel computer should be no obstacle to working with studio artist. They do act like large space heaters (good to heat your studio during the winter), but that's the nature of that particular beast.
Depending on what you are trying to do within a msg preset, individual processors may be thread splitting to speed up computation.
If you want to post the PASeq you were trying to animate, i can comment on it specifically.
Yes I was animating from a PASeq to a movie file as described in the tip archive page you posted. I'm clear on what you're saying about trying to keyframe MSG presets. Thanks.
I'm still just wondering whether during a PASeq animation render you expect to see the output of that render on the canvas, or not. ??
If you are rendering out an animation or processing a movie using a PASeq you do see the results of playing the PASeq in the canvas. You can set the PASeq 'Loop Action Canvas Update' preference to display the result of every action step or only the final output of the PASeq in the canvas.
Again, if you want to post the PAseq you were using i can comment on how it works or if there are any issues associated with it.
I will - thanks. Regarding 2008 Intel mac, fwiw, it didn't always run this hot. Only in the last couple of years. I was told by an apple store employee that since software is coded for newer processors this is going to happen. This is the first time I've heard that, and I haven't seen or heard it anywhere else. You might know something about that.
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